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Need More Light for Night Riding

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#10 ·
I have nothing to say about his products since I never used them. I can only tell you that the guy running bkmoto uses on his website two pictures with the output of my HID projector setup. It is a completely different setup than the one he sells. I emailed him asking him to take the pictures off his website and he didn't even respond to my email.
He never asked permission and is obviously OK with misrepresenting his product using output pictures from a different setup. For that reason I question his business integrity and personally would never do business with him.
 
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I have the Denali's mounted on my bike, and I rather like them. The downside is they are a pain to adjust and I had to craft a mount off for where the front side reflectors mount. I used the road-beam lens on the left and the fog-bean lens on the right. It really improved the overall lighting. Because of where they are mounted, they do not seem to blind other drivers at night. I tested that myself with a friend to double check.
 
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Coming from a 08' GSXR I have to agree, my S has terrible headlights. I have been thinking about the best way to upgrade my lighitng, I am not sure that better bulbs will make much of a difference.

Do the denali's put the light far down the road (driving beam) and which set do you have?
 
#9 ·
First step for ANY SV looking for more light is to install relays which will provide full voltage to them...which the stock wiring will not. The 'S' actually has pretty decent lighting when fully juiced and properly aimed. Stock mine was neither...and the lighting WAS dismal. Stock bulbs powered with Eastern Beaver relays work pretty well now....so regardless of what lights you want to use....give them full voltage please.:)
 
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I'm kind of a light whore when it comes to my motorcycle. I have HIDs installed, two ADVmonster model 30 fork-mounted LED spot lights, a single ADVmonster model 60 LED light mounted above my headlights, plus additional rear lighting on my side cases.

I'm very happy with my ADVmonster lights. I've seen the Denali lights in person at the BMW International Rally in Oregon this year at Twisted Throttle's tent. They're really well put-together lights, and looked really bright (in the daylight). But, my ADVmonsters are a fraction of the cost, well-made (admittedly, not as much as the Denalis), and looked to be every bit as bright. Advmonster link

If you're going to do auxiliary lighting, you've got to first figure out what you want from your lights. Do you just want drivers to see you better? Do you want to extend your low beams out a little bit? Or do you want some mega-lights that are high-beam only?

If you want to extend your low beams, upgrading your lights to HID or replacing the wiring and adding a relay are good options. Or you could look for an auxiliary light with a tight pattern that you can aim lower so that you're not blinding oncoming traffic. My model 30s are a tight spot pattern, but I still had to aim them a bit lower than I had originally intended to in order not to blind people... and they're still right on the borderline of being too bright. I have them on their own switch so that I can turn them off if I'm in town at night where I don't need them. They always stay on during the daytime for added visibility, and it is a night and day difference after getting them in terms of drivers not seeing me.

If you want a massive light for burning the retinas out of any forest rats or opossums unlucky enough to be in your path, than a good flood pattern high-lumen auxiliary light is what you're looking for. That is what my model 60 is for. It is tied into the high beam circuit with a relay, so when my highs are on, the auxiliary light is on. It is 3600 lumens (though to be fair, I don't think the lumen ratings used by Denali and Advmonster are the same scale), and pointed straight out front. It is absolutely blinding and not to be used with oncoming traffic. It does a phenomenal job of lighting the road though.

I'll dig up my post on advrider.com after mounting my model 30 and repost it here... Oh, and speaking of advrider, Advmonster gives a decent discount on their lights if you're an advrider forum member.


Also, I wouldn't buy from BKMoto. He stole pictures from a member here using a different setup and claimed them as his own without the member's permission. He then didn't reply to emails about the matter. Bad business practice IMO. If you search you may find the thread. I can't remember which subforum it was in now.
 
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My model 30s are a tight spot pattern, but I still had to aim them a bit lower than I had originally intended to in order not to blind people... and they're still right on the borderline of being too bright. I have them on their own switch so that I can turn them off if I'm in town at night where I don't need them. They always stay on during the daytime for added visibility, and it is a night and day difference after getting them in terms of drivers not seeing me.

Max- Do you happen to have pictures of your mount on the forks? I'm looking into the M30s for auxiliary lighting. Almost bought the HID kit from BKMoto but after reading the comments about the light output, I'm a bit put off.

What kind of electrical changes did you have to make to accommodate the M30s?
 
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Here is the post from Advrider. Keep in mind though, these pictures/videos are with stock headlights, not the HIDs.

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Here are some crappy pictures of the lights mounted. The model 60 is mounted to the lower windscreen and is tied in with the hi beams. The two fork-mounted lights are the model 30s. They are controlled with a switch independent of any other lights.

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Here is how they look sitting in the pilot's seat:

lows:
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lows + model 30s:
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hi's + model 30s + model 60:
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And how they look from about 30 yards away:

lows:
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lows + model 30s:
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hi's + model 30s + model 60:
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Here are some videos of the lights. Since I don't have a switch that controls just the model 60, I had to remove the fuse to use only the stock hi beams for the demonstration video, so that's why I don't have a video of switching between the hi beams and the hi beams and model 60.


The first video is of the stock hi and lo beams:

The second video is of just the model 30s alternating with the hi and lo beams:

The third video is of the model 30s, the model 60 + hi beams, and the lo beams:

The videos really don't do the lights justice though. Here's a crappy screenshot of just the high beams and the next picture is of hi beams + model 60 + model 30s:

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#24 ·
I performed this type of upgrade on my vehicle and it added 30-40 percent light increase. Going to try on the bike.
 
#17 ·
I assume the SV has H4 style headlights (it's been a while since I had my SV)? While you can buy these relays, connectors and wires just about anywhere for less, it is nice to get a package already put together. They are all high-quality bits. You want to run these thicker gauge wires to reduce voltage drop at the bulbs (voltage drop = loss of lumens).

Eastern Beaver is the name of the company and it's run by Jim Beaver. He's an American living in Japan, http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Wiring_Kits/H4_Kits/h4_kits.html#h4dual

Besides the small awg wire and the fact my stock headlight power runs through a bunch of switches and connectors, the other thing that really benefited my dual headlight setup on my '05 Speed Triple was the headlight lens. I got a set of Hella H4 ECE style lens that really cleared up the light pattern. Combined with some Nightbreaker bulbs and I am very happy with my setup.
 
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Just my .02 I purchased one of the Borka/BKMoto setups and was not happy at all. The output at night was downright miserable, it would have been better to strap a flash light to my front fender. I ended up selling it and labeling it as cosmetic upgrade only. I explicitly told the buyer to not expect a light to ride at night by. Would not recommend at all if you're looking for night riding.
 
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I installed a set of PIAA 1100x (i think that's the same model) lights a bunch off years ago in place of my fork reflectors and they have been flawless. I think when I bought them in 2004/05, they were "only" $175 new on eBay. I have a feeling they may be blinding oncoming traffic but everyone can see me! I try to be courteous when I use them.
 
#20 ·
I don't have experience with this specific kit, but I have bought, installed, and used this kit for about a year: http://www.bkmoto.com/Suzuki Projectors?product_id=62

the light output on these is, put simply, astounding. I recommend this kit hands down all the time, it is literally as bright as daylight in front of my bike with these on. This picture from the site perfectly illustrates my results:
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Not affiliated, just highly impressed, despite how pricey they were
 
#25 ·
Someone at the rally last year had some smaller lights he mounted to the sides of the headlight mounting bracket. They were reasonably priced and put out decent light but don't remember the brand. I like the idea of extra,lights for coverage and to differentiate the bike to help drivers see you better than he single headlight.
 
#38 ·
You countersteer all the way through the turn. What makes it countersteering is that the weel is turned out from the direction of travel. So if you are taking a 15 degree curve, your wheel could be set at 12 degrees. It is still turned, but it is turned out relative to the direction of travel.